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		<title>By: Worth paying for &#8212; Eat Sleep Publish</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-1558</link>
		<dc:creator>Worth paying for &#8212; Eat Sleep Publish</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] argued for some time on this blog that newspapers need to find ways to continue charging money for their services. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Do you think free content is a viable path for independent content producers? &#8212; Eat Sleep Publish</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>Do you think free content is a viable path for independent content producers? &#8212; Eat Sleep Publish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I blogged last week about successful online business models, Working Reporter left this wonderful comment: I’d like to see newspapers try your ideas, but I’d also like them to try the enormously [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Working Reporter</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Working Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The really tricky part in my mind is that, philosophically, locking up the news behind any kind of wall is bad for democracy. &quot;

I concur. My fear is that, if individual newspapers don&#039;t take firm steps now to regain control of the value of their content -- in a way that minimally reduces the accessibility of that content -- that many newspapers will fold or be absorbed into large conglomerations.

I have little doubt that if that happens, those surviving conglomerations will have little reluctance in taking steps against bloggers and aggregators that will make the RIAA look tame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The really tricky part in my mind is that, philosophically, locking up the news behind any kind of wall is bad for democracy. &#8221;</p>
<p>I concur. My fear is that, if individual newspapers don&#8217;t take firm steps now to regain control of the value of their content &#8212; in a way that minimally reduces the accessibility of that content &#8212; that many newspapers will fold or be absorbed into large conglomerations.</p>
<p>I have little doubt that if that happens, those surviving conglomerations will have little reluctance in taking steps against bloggers and aggregators that will make the RIAA look tame.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Preston</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Working reporter - thanks for checking out the site! 

I think you and I are in more agreement on this than this post makes it seem, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-is-a-subscription/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my earlier post on subscription revenue&lt;/a&gt;.

The really tricky part in my mind is that, philosophically, locking up the news behind any kind of wall is bad for democracy. It&#039;s a beautiful, beautiful thing than anyone in the world can get news from all over the world, for free, on their computer. 

So newspapers need to make money for the service they provide, but they should try to do it in ways that don&#039;t detract from the value that the internet brings to news. 

In my mind this is the big dilemma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Working reporter &#8211; thanks for checking out the site! </p>
<p>I think you and I are in more agreement on this than this post makes it seem, see <a href="http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-is-a-subscription/" rel="nofollow">my earlier post on subscription revenue</a>.</p>
<p>The really tricky part in my mind is that, philosophically, locking up the news behind any kind of wall is bad for democracy. It&#8217;s a beautiful, beautiful thing than anyone in the world can get news from all over the world, for free, on their computer. </p>
<p>So newspapers need to make money for the service they provide, but they should try to do it in ways that don&#8217;t detract from the value that the internet brings to news. </p>
<p>In my mind this is the big dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Working Reporter</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator>Working Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason:

I wandered over here from our conversation at Recovering Journalist. I think you have some good points here, but I disagree with your suggestion that charging directly for content can&#039;t work.

TimesSelect didn&#039;t fail -- it just didn&#039;t work as well as the Times wanted it to. It was making money when they shut it down. 

I think part of the problem was that the Times chose to lock up its columnists. The Times has great opinion writers, but let&#039;s face it, there&#039;s a lot of free opinion out there on the Web. The stuff that actually was unique -- the Times&#039;s international and national news -- remained free.

It&#039;s interesting to note that the exceptions to the &quot;free&quot; rule are doing more or less OK. The WSJ dabbled with going free, but decided against it once Murdoch saw their profit statements. The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette isn&#039;t free (see an interesting piece on that at http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4427), and while it&#039;s recently experienced some pain from the overall economic slump, it has in general weathered the storm much better than other papers.

People like to call these things &quot;exceptions&quot; that somehow aren&#039;t relevant to other newspapers. Why not? Yes, the WSJ can count on businesses buying subscriptions for its business reporting, but that doesn&#039;t explain how its online audience grew to rival the total circulation of most newspapers. Sure, the Democrat-Gazette is a local daily with limited competition -- but doesn&#039;t that describe most newspapers?

I&#039;d like to see newspapers try your ideas, but I&#039;d also like them to try the enormously unpopular idea of actually selling what they make, either directly through online subscriptions or indirectly, perhaps by partnering up with a cable company and becoming a &quot;premium channel&quot; like HBO. 

Seriously, could it make things any worse? Online revenue is on average less than 10 percent of newspapers&#039; income. If they lost all of that through experimenting with charging for content, it would make a terrible situation only 10 percent worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason:</p>
<p>I wandered over here from our conversation at Recovering Journalist. I think you have some good points here, but I disagree with your suggestion that charging directly for content can&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>TimesSelect didn&#8217;t fail &#8212; it just didn&#8217;t work as well as the Times wanted it to. It was making money when they shut it down. </p>
<p>I think part of the problem was that the Times chose to lock up its columnists. The Times has great opinion writers, but let&#8217;s face it, there&#8217;s a lot of free opinion out there on the Web. The stuff that actually was unique &#8212; the Times&#8217;s international and national news &#8212; remained free.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that the exceptions to the &#8220;free&#8221; rule are doing more or less OK. The WSJ dabbled with going free, but decided against it once Murdoch saw their profit statements. The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette isn&#8217;t free (see an interesting piece on that at <a href="http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4427" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4427</a>), and while it&#8217;s recently experienced some pain from the overall economic slump, it has in general weathered the storm much better than other papers.</p>
<p>People like to call these things &#8220;exceptions&#8221; that somehow aren&#8217;t relevant to other newspapers. Why not? Yes, the WSJ can count on businesses buying subscriptions for its business reporting, but that doesn&#8217;t explain how its online audience grew to rival the total circulation of most newspapers. Sure, the Democrat-Gazette is a local daily with limited competition &#8212; but doesn&#8217;t that describe most newspapers?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see newspapers try your ideas, but I&#8217;d also like them to try the enormously unpopular idea of actually selling what they make, either directly through online subscriptions or indirectly, perhaps by partnering up with a cable company and becoming a &#8220;premium channel&#8221; like HBO. </p>
<p>Seriously, could it make things any worse? Online revenue is on average less than 10 percent of newspapers&#8217; income. If they lost all of that through experimenting with charging for content, it would make a terrible situation only 10 percent worse.</p>
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		<title>By: josh-internet business</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh-internet business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am agree with you. If any body want to start the online business then e books,blogs are very helpful for them a lot. Advertising costs are also low comparative with the others like news paper and it will give the long term results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am agree with you. If any body want to start the online business then e books,blogs are very helpful for them a lot. Advertising costs are also low comparative with the others like news paper and it will give the long term results.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s in vogue for a good reason: advertising costs are reduced so much online that the only way to have a viable business model based on advertising is to create a place where very large numbers of people stick around. Content alone isn&#039;t doing that for most newspapers, as that content is consumed on platforms elsewhere as people blog it, email it, twitter it, etc. So to keep them on your site you need to give them a service as well as the content - newspapers are ideally placed to use their content to think about related services: e.g. help me decide which politician shares my views; help me campaign against that plan you&#039;re reporting on; help me speak to others on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s in vogue for a good reason: advertising costs are reduced so much online that the only way to have a viable business model based on advertising is to create a place where very large numbers of people stick around. Content alone isn&#8217;t doing that for most newspapers, as that content is consumed on platforms elsewhere as people blog it, email it, twitter it, etc. So to keep them on your site you need to give them a service as well as the content &#8211; newspapers are ideally placed to use their content to think about related services: e.g. help me decide which politician shares my views; help me campaign against that plan you&#8217;re reporting on; help me speak to others on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Preston</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul - to a certain extent I agree that creating a platform is a good idea, but only where it makes sense. Looking around at the tech/social media space it seems like being a &quot;platform&quot; is a bit in vogue and might be more of a trend than a solid business strategy. 

If you&#039;re in the content business (which every newspaper is in), I think it&#039;s best not to stray too far from your core mission. Content &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; viable online, I just think we haven&#039;t gotten there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul &#8211; to a certain extent I agree that creating a platform is a good idea, but only where it makes sense. Looking around at the tech/social media space it seems like being a &#8220;platform&#8221; is a bit in vogue and might be more of a trend than a solid business strategy. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in the content business (which every newspaper is in), I think it&#8217;s best not to stray too far from your core mission. Content <em>is</em> viable online, I just think we haven&#8217;t gotten there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: The ultimate guide to newspaper curmudgeon talking points &#8212; Eat Sleep Publish</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>The ultimate guide to newspaper curmudgeon talking points &#8212; Eat Sleep Publish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may not have hit the holy grail yet, but there are a number of valid business models being explored, and sooner or later one of them is going to start working.  There are more eyeballs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] may not have hit the holy grail yet, but there are a number of valid business models being explored, and sooner or later one of them is going to start working.  There are more eyeballs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://eatsleeppublish.com/what-business-models-work-online/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree with that analysis. I&#039;d also make the point that the key online is to to provide platforms and tools that people want to use, rather than containers for content. Otherwise, most simply won&#039;t get the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with that analysis. I&#8217;d also make the point that the key online is to to provide platforms and tools that people want to use, rather than containers for content. Otherwise, most simply won&#8217;t get the numbers.</p>
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